Fate has brought us here

I could give a rat's ass about people getting wasted. It's not my liver that they're destroying. The problem is with acting like a mule where everyone can see. He didn't have to get on to his computer did he? No, but he thought it would be fun.

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Possibly he thought it would be fun because he was wasted.

Christ, boy, take a chill pill.

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He has a point, Shinobi. Respect is hard enough to come by. It does no good for anyone when someone of Mr. Summers' position conducts themselves thusly.

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Would you prefer that the teachers' journals were filtered, Shiro, so that none of you have to see the fact that we have lives?

I can easily respect someone who knows how to live as well as teach and lead. I don't see where the shortfall is here.

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Consuming vast amounts of ethyl alcohol and having a life aren't the same thing. I do understand the need to balance responsibility and fun, as much as that may surprise some people. The problem is that alcohol is a drug that causes harm to both body and mind. Mr. Summers is not the first person to get pissed and write about how great it is. I think that we may be well on our way to seeing alcohol dependency problems here if someone doesn't say anything about it.

And no, I am neither advocating Prohibition nor saying that Mr. Summers has to be Cyclops every second of every day. The fact remains, though, that it's a matter of health and of decorum.

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Moderation and wisdom in all things, Shiro. Read the research. Alcohol's effects on the body and brain are well documented and can be helpful as well as detrimental. Scott wasn't writing about how great it is to get drunk - and honestly, he wasn't that badly off if he could use the journal system, I have trouble with this thing when I'm sober. He was being silly. I've done stupider things under the influence of a pretty smile.

As for decorum, that's a matter of opinion, I suppose. We'll see what Scott says when he's up and about.

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but Shiro, sometimes relaxing is hard and alkie helps that.

He's over 21, drank privately and didn't give it to minors. I don't see a problem here. We're in such a closed environment here that things like this are going to happen. He handled his drinking responsibly - which is about what I'd expect from him.

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I don't see where Scott was out of line, Jay. He was being silly, in his own journal, on his own time. He was responsible about everything. He's human. So are the rest of us. Blowing off some steam is never a bad thing, when it's done right. The younger children are filtered from most casual posting, if I recall correctly. I'm sure that anyone who need to be protected from the off-duty lives of the staff can be added to that list.

Older students have the priviledge of open communication with staff and other students. We all have to live together here and that includes having a normal personal life, if one can manage it. It may not be what you're accustomed to, but it's not a bad thing.

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Like I said to Shinobi, it doesn't matter to me how people entertain themselves around here. If they want to poison themselves, then go right ahead. The problem is with them acting like it's all fine and dandy, and with other people not raising a stink about their behavior.

If Summers needs to blow off some steam, then by all means let him blow. But I for one expect just a smidge more maturity from a teacher. At least that's what I'm accustomed to.

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Behaviour? Like hanging out with his girlfriend in his own rooms and goofing off? Do you know how long I've been trying to get him to DO that? (I just usually turn off the internet connection. Training, see?)

I thought it was funny. Scott's one of the most decent, responsible, mature people I know. He's mature when he has to be. That's what counts. You can't come across in the crunch when you're worn down from being perfect for everyone all the time.

We /live/ here. We can't be polished and glossy for the benefit of the students all the time. We don't have a place to go and kick back that isn't this school. And if Scott posts a goofy post in his journal when he's having fun, more power to him. He'll be there when we need him and he'll be there in better shape if he's not cracked from trying to keep up some tidy little facade.

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Then let him have fun. Go, I don't know, blow some crap up or something. I'm sure that there are plenty of ways to have fun and relax that don't involve acting like a damfool.

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Very, very few. Especially with such a rigid view of folly. Sadly, the government frowns on us blowing things up, even on our own property and in our own airspace. I'm working on demolitions permits for a couple old factories, though, but that's more for teaching purposes.

Years of training have ensured that I turn off my access to the internet when I'm going to relax. Good thing too. I think some of my students might well spit in my face if they had an inkling about the rest of my life, if Scott gets that much grief over some tequila.

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Still, if the staff members are going to suggest that is it irresponsible of us to drink to excess, would it not be prudent for them to not take the tactic of "Do as I say, not as I do." ?

I am sure Mr. Summers is under a great deal of stress, but I do not care for having authority figures who tell me one thing and then do another. Lead by example, is that not what they always tell us older students in regards to our much younger roommates?

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Define excess.

Define responsible behaviour.

A person of age has a few drinks and behaves in a harmlessly silly manner. He doesn't get sick, he doesn't harm himself, he doesn't harm anyone else. I'm still failing to see the problem.

Would it have been my choice? No. That's why I make sure not to use these things while under the influence. I still am not seeing the place where a moment's silliness negates or harms anything else.

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How odd. You question -my- ability to do a very simple and nearly stress-free teaching job when I make one - and I have only ever made -one- questionable post. Yet you defend an older, supposedly more responsible co-worker who is under more stress in a more difficult job.

This is a double standard.

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Did I question your ability? No. You're still working. If I questioned it, I'd not let you have the job. I offered to find a replacement for you. Hardly a double standard.

Oh, by the way, there is a double standard for people of different levels of maturity and experience. End of story. I'm not fair, no. I'm okay with that.

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Yes. Your standard is higher than mine. Adults in this country have more privlidges, yes? And more responsibilites. Maybe Quebec is different, I suppose, but I doubt it.

Which means Mr. Summers should not be posting drunkenly.

As you say, end of story.

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I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on that, I suppose. We do have a very different view of alcohol, that's certain.

I wasn't comparing adults and children. I was comparing people with different levels of maturity and experience. There is a difference.

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Perhaps it is simply because I grew up with wine at dinner that I do not see how public drunkenness is -ever- acceptable. You learn your limits early and then do not exceed them, or if you do, you face the consequences.

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You don't know the man. You know nothing of the circumstances that brought this about, which I'm taking that into consideration. Therefore, I request that you keep your judgment to yourself until you do know something rather than spurt off about maturity and what you expect.

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The call-girl speaks.

You know, I'm sick of talking about this. Sorry I even brought it up.

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That was out of line, Jay. Period, end of story. You owe Betsy an apology for that.

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She said it herself:

"NOW, I KNOW WHAT I'M GOOD FOR!"

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